So I thought about this as well, but there's no cameras affixed to the traffic light poles at that intersection. There's other things attached that I cannot identify, but they don't appear to be cameras.
I finally went and looked. I agree they don't look like normal surveillance cameras. They look like they could be license plate recognition cameras but normally those only take still pics and not video, so I think you're probably right that the video is from somewhere else.
Edit: I learned in the 7 minutes since I posted that comment, those devices are traffic signal preemption receivers. They detect emergency vehicles with strobe lights on and switch the traffic light to clear the intersection for them.
EDIT: Very important point about the November 12 driving omission. It seems like November 12 CSLI could be important, if only as part of the record of when and how long Kohberger’s phone was turned off (the more seldom Kohberger operated with his phone off while driving around, the more incriminating it seems for it to be off during the murders.)
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You’ve got to think they've got Floyd's Cannabis Shop footage for the 9 am hour of November 13 (CSLI corroboration from his phone), and we should see Suspect Vehicle 1 passing it during its post-murder morning beeline, both to and from the King Rd. area since the PCA says he also went straight back home. That means a driver's side view going to Moscow and passenger's side view of the Elantra returning, since Floyd's is on the north side of Moscow-Pullman Hwy.
So there should be morning footage of the Kohberger's Elantra to compare with any previous night footage the prosecution is claiming is Kohberger (when there is no CSLI data to corroborate he passed Floyd's.)
Another question: does Floyd's have more than one camera that points at Moscow-Pullman Hwy? Is it possible the Floyd's footage contains more of a front and/or back view that shows the missing front plate (though it may be too far away to tell.) If so, and the missing plate can be seen, that would support it being Kohberger's Elantra (or raise questions if any of the white Elantra captures have a front plate.)
On the other hand, looking at the Google Maps street view of Floyd's Cannabis Shop and its proximity to Moscow-Pullman Highway, it looks too far away for a detailed license plate view - much further away from the street than that gas-station footage in Moscow that captured the non-Elantra, in the 3 am hour the night of the murders. Maybe Floyd's has more recently purchased/higher resolution cameras than the gas station, since Floyd's has been operating only since 2016 (based on google research.) We'll see.
EDIT: the 2016 date for Floyd’s opening may be only for the Sedro-Woolley Floyd’s near Seattle. But the Google maps street view past photos for the Pullman Floyd’s shows no Floyd’s building, as we know it now, as of Nov. 2015, but does show it in Sept. 2018, so more or less, 2016 or a little later.)
"You’ve got to think they've got Floyd's Cannabis Shop footage for the 9 am hour of November 13"
And yet another reason to believe that Kohberger altered his car.
"On the other hand, looking at the Google Maps street view of Floyd's Cannabis Shop and its proximity to Moscow-Pullman Highway, it looks too far away for a detailed license plate view"
So the alibi notice says that the camera is *near* Floyd's Cannabis Shop, not affixed to it. I assume the vagueness was deliberate to conceal the camera's actual location, prevent a small business from getting phone calls requesting the footage, etc. I haven't looked closely at Google Maps yet to find the camera, but I might do that this weekend if I have the time. I've had good luck finding cameras before.
I think the footage in question could have been captured earlier on November 13--not just before the homicides--for the reasons that I stated this post and my post about possible activity on November 12, but there's one more reason that I hope to explain next week. To be sure, it could be something or it could be nothing. I don't want to tease something that doesn't pan out.
Also: The video canvass did not include the Moscow-Pullman Highway. Investigators seemed to be focusing on Highway 95, which makes me think that Suspect Vehicle 1 both entered and left Moscow that way around the time of the homicides.
Edit: If I were to guess, I'd say the camera is probably around that collection of buildings on the Stoneway Electric lot. There's that fenced area on the west side of the Stoneway building; it seems smart to put a camera there, but I can't get a close view.
"So the alibi notice says that the camera is *near* Floyd's Cannabis Shop”
I missed that, thanks for the clarification.
Since there’s a bend in the road right outside that Stoneway lot, a photo angle from outside one of those buildings might be more likely to catch more of the front or back of the car, instead of just a side view. I’m thinking the 9 am footage taken during daylight on the return trip has the best chance of catching the missing front license plate. All speculation, of course, but even if it does catch the front, will it be too far away to tell any details?
With that in mind, I’m wondering if a blow-up and colorization would show only white (the car’s front bumper area, no plate) thus ruling out any coloring from a plate for ID or WA would have (no matter how pixelated the blown-up/colorized image would be.)
Or will the CSLI for his 9am trip be good enough to convince everyone that must have been his car (if no other white Elantras pass through around the required time?) Thus no photo processing needed.
If the stargazing alibi turns out to be remotely possible for his 12 pre-visits (because they can’t really place him on King Rd, and there’s a good stargazing spot near there), the 9 am post-murder beeline seems too coincidental to raise reasonable doubt, and that beeline may become a crucial part of the prosecution’s case.
"And yet another reason to believe that Kohberger altered his car.”
I was convinced by the footage of one of the Indiana traffic stops - when the officer’s body cam got a good shot at different downward angles of that rear bumper just before the moment he walked by it to get to the passenger’s side. No visible indention whatsoever - which can’t be explained as camouflaged so perfectly by cross-country-trip dirt. I saw a completely smooth surface.
And I don’t give Kohberger credit for ever thinking about the October traffic stop footage (and the crystal clear shot of the rear bumper-wide horizontal indention) potentially being a major piece of evidence against him and his car alteration plan. And it will be - who alters their car like that? And why?
Good luck finding the camera if you decide to try to.
I'm curious when investigators discovered that the suspect's vehicle re-entered the city. They don't mention footage in the affidavit, but I suspect that it exists. I assume he didn't drive by the 1112 King Road camera, otherwise they would've traced him back to Pullman much sooner.
I haven't found a camera yet, but I think it's reasonable to assume that it is located somewhere between the Toyota dealership and the hardware store by Sand Buckler Drive. Anywhere else wouldn't be "near" the cannabis shop in my opinion. (There ought to be cameras at the dealership, right?) Not that it matters that much, but like you, I'm curious how close the camera was to the street.
I suspect that the stargazing photos were taken partly for alibi purposes, but then the pings in Moscow override those photos. I wonder what he was thinking there. (If I were saying this on Reddit, then someone would interject by saying that Kohberger's a dumbass and wasn't thinking at all, which I don't entirely believe.)
"No visible indention whatsoever"
An indentation is slightly visible in the dash camera footage, but it's shallow. It's clearly gone when the officer walks past the car. Also, according to the New York Times, investigators were initially looking for 2019-2023 Nissan Sentras. There are some Sentras within that year range that lack a rear indentation; the rear bumpers look identical to the Elantra's rear bumper on December 15. The L-shaped fog lights are also similar to the 2015 Hyundai Elantra. (Example: White 2020 Nissan Sentra)
(I took my previous posts about the car down because I no longer stand by some things that I wrote, but I intend to make a new post at some point, hopefully in the next two months.)
"the October traffic stop footage"
I still think it's notable that the footage wasn't posted online until May 4, 2023, despite it being mentioned in the affidavit released on January 5. I have a working theory as to why this happened that I will hopefully include in the aforementioned post.
I bet the camera is at the intersection of 270 and Airport Rd, right next to Floyd's.
So I thought about this as well, but there's no cameras affixed to the traffic light poles at that intersection. There's other things attached that I cannot identify, but they don't appear to be cameras.
I finally went and looked. I agree they don't look like normal surveillance cameras. They look like they could be license plate recognition cameras but normally those only take still pics and not video, so I think you're probably right that the video is from somewhere else.
Edit: I learned in the 7 minutes since I posted that comment, those devices are traffic signal preemption receivers. They detect emergency vehicles with strobe lights on and switch the traffic light to clear the intersection for them.
EDIT: Very important point about the November 12 driving omission. It seems like November 12 CSLI could be important, if only as part of the record of when and how long Kohberger’s phone was turned off (the more seldom Kohberger operated with his phone off while driving around, the more incriminating it seems for it to be off during the murders.)
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You’ve got to think they've got Floyd's Cannabis Shop footage for the 9 am hour of November 13 (CSLI corroboration from his phone), and we should see Suspect Vehicle 1 passing it during its post-murder morning beeline, both to and from the King Rd. area since the PCA says he also went straight back home. That means a driver's side view going to Moscow and passenger's side view of the Elantra returning, since Floyd's is on the north side of Moscow-Pullman Hwy.
So there should be morning footage of the Kohberger's Elantra to compare with any previous night footage the prosecution is claiming is Kohberger (when there is no CSLI data to corroborate he passed Floyd's.)
Another question: does Floyd's have more than one camera that points at Moscow-Pullman Hwy? Is it possible the Floyd's footage contains more of a front and/or back view that shows the missing front plate (though it may be too far away to tell.) If so, and the missing plate can be seen, that would support it being Kohberger's Elantra (or raise questions if any of the white Elantra captures have a front plate.)
On the other hand, looking at the Google Maps street view of Floyd's Cannabis Shop and its proximity to Moscow-Pullman Highway, it looks too far away for a detailed license plate view - much further away from the street than that gas-station footage in Moscow that captured the non-Elantra, in the 3 am hour the night of the murders. Maybe Floyd's has more recently purchased/higher resolution cameras than the gas station, since Floyd's has been operating only since 2016 (based on google research.) We'll see.
EDIT: the 2016 date for Floyd’s opening may be only for the Sedro-Woolley Floyd’s near Seattle. But the Google maps street view past photos for the Pullman Floyd’s shows no Floyd’s building, as we know it now, as of Nov. 2015, but does show it in Sept. 2018, so more or less, 2016 or a little later.)
"You’ve got to think they've got Floyd's Cannabis Shop footage for the 9 am hour of November 13"
And yet another reason to believe that Kohberger altered his car.
"On the other hand, looking at the Google Maps street view of Floyd's Cannabis Shop and its proximity to Moscow-Pullman Highway, it looks too far away for a detailed license plate view"
So the alibi notice says that the camera is *near* Floyd's Cannabis Shop, not affixed to it. I assume the vagueness was deliberate to conceal the camera's actual location, prevent a small business from getting phone calls requesting the footage, etc. I haven't looked closely at Google Maps yet to find the camera, but I might do that this weekend if I have the time. I've had good luck finding cameras before.
I think the footage in question could have been captured earlier on November 13--not just before the homicides--for the reasons that I stated this post and my post about possible activity on November 12, but there's one more reason that I hope to explain next week. To be sure, it could be something or it could be nothing. I don't want to tease something that doesn't pan out.
Also: The video canvass did not include the Moscow-Pullman Highway. Investigators seemed to be focusing on Highway 95, which makes me think that Suspect Vehicle 1 both entered and left Moscow that way around the time of the homicides.
Edit: If I were to guess, I'd say the camera is probably around that collection of buildings on the Stoneway Electric lot. There's that fenced area on the west side of the Stoneway building; it seems smart to put a camera there, but I can't get a close view.
"So the alibi notice says that the camera is *near* Floyd's Cannabis Shop”
I missed that, thanks for the clarification.
Since there’s a bend in the road right outside that Stoneway lot, a photo angle from outside one of those buildings might be more likely to catch more of the front or back of the car, instead of just a side view. I’m thinking the 9 am footage taken during daylight on the return trip has the best chance of catching the missing front license plate. All speculation, of course, but even if it does catch the front, will it be too far away to tell any details?
With that in mind, I’m wondering if a blow-up and colorization would show only white (the car’s front bumper area, no plate) thus ruling out any coloring from a plate for ID or WA would have (no matter how pixelated the blown-up/colorized image would be.)
Or will the CSLI for his 9am trip be good enough to convince everyone that must have been his car (if no other white Elantras pass through around the required time?) Thus no photo processing needed.
If the stargazing alibi turns out to be remotely possible for his 12 pre-visits (because they can’t really place him on King Rd, and there’s a good stargazing spot near there), the 9 am post-murder beeline seems too coincidental to raise reasonable doubt, and that beeline may become a crucial part of the prosecution’s case.
"And yet another reason to believe that Kohberger altered his car.”
I was convinced by the footage of one of the Indiana traffic stops - when the officer’s body cam got a good shot at different downward angles of that rear bumper just before the moment he walked by it to get to the passenger’s side. No visible indention whatsoever - which can’t be explained as camouflaged so perfectly by cross-country-trip dirt. I saw a completely smooth surface.
And I don’t give Kohberger credit for ever thinking about the October traffic stop footage (and the crystal clear shot of the rear bumper-wide horizontal indention) potentially being a major piece of evidence against him and his car alteration plan. And it will be - who alters their car like that? And why?
Good luck finding the camera if you decide to try to.
I'm curious when investigators discovered that the suspect's vehicle re-entered the city. They don't mention footage in the affidavit, but I suspect that it exists. I assume he didn't drive by the 1112 King Road camera, otherwise they would've traced him back to Pullman much sooner.
I haven't found a camera yet, but I think it's reasonable to assume that it is located somewhere between the Toyota dealership and the hardware store by Sand Buckler Drive. Anywhere else wouldn't be "near" the cannabis shop in my opinion. (There ought to be cameras at the dealership, right?) Not that it matters that much, but like you, I'm curious how close the camera was to the street.
I suspect that the stargazing photos were taken partly for alibi purposes, but then the pings in Moscow override those photos. I wonder what he was thinking there. (If I were saying this on Reddit, then someone would interject by saying that Kohberger's a dumbass and wasn't thinking at all, which I don't entirely believe.)
"No visible indention whatsoever"
An indentation is slightly visible in the dash camera footage, but it's shallow. It's clearly gone when the officer walks past the car. Also, according to the New York Times, investigators were initially looking for 2019-2023 Nissan Sentras. There are some Sentras within that year range that lack a rear indentation; the rear bumpers look identical to the Elantra's rear bumper on December 15. The L-shaped fog lights are also similar to the 2015 Hyundai Elantra. (Example: White 2020 Nissan Sentra)
(I took my previous posts about the car down because I no longer stand by some things that I wrote, but I intend to make a new post at some point, hopefully in the next two months.)
"the October traffic stop footage"
I still think it's notable that the footage wasn't posted online until May 4, 2023, despite it being mentioned in the affidavit released on January 5. I have a working theory as to why this happened that I will hopefully include in the aforementioned post.